Host: Good afternoon, this is Kentyn for DreamsCloud. We are back in the studio today with Dr. Robert Van de Castle. Hello Dr. Van de Castle.

Dr. Van de Castle: Hello, how are you?

Host: I am well. Dr. Van de Castle, as we carry forward with these interviews there’s obviously dozens of topics – hundreds. We started to touch slightly on this concept that DreamsCloud.com has, or it does allow people to specify their emotions, colors, numbers, moods, in some ways an early step, but an important step going towards dream quantification. When I read through your book I saw that you’ve put maybe an entire lifetime in trying to create a quantification, a language for dreaming. Can you relate these early efforts in DreamsCloud to some of your research?

Dr. Van de Castle: Well I’ve tried to look at dreams now in different cultures and see how, say the dreams of the Kuna Indians that I’ve made six field trips down there to see how they compare. Because they have a very, very supportive culture. They have an earth mother, and it’s like, straight out of Carl Jung, in a way. They have a sun god, and a moon mother that, a moon grandmother actually, that is very, very important for them and their culture, and they have a very, very peaceful culture. They have practically no aggression toward other Kunas; they love getting together and doing different activities there. So trying to carry the culture one forward to me would be very important and it’s so difficult because it would be hard to make the trips out to these cultures and do it where now with the instantaneous speed of internet we could get them very quickly. What one of the fantasies that I was thinking about today is we now have, through DreamsCloud, the technology where somebody can pick up the phone, and phone in their dream. It can then be recorded by DreamsCloud, and you can have several different boxes where you store it, either a totally private one where you and you alone are the only who can go back and re-contact that dream, or you could have a group of people you share it with, family or friends or some sort of dream buddies that way, or you could make it available to the general public out there. And so all you have to do is just speak your dream into the phone, the iPhone, and there’s now applications coming out fairly soon for android and for all the other newer phones coming out like that. And now there’s some new technology that just came up on the web yesterday that we were looking at, where there is technology based on a geo-device where you can determine when someone is dreaming on the basis of eye movements and then have lights reflected around in the room so that you would now be aware that they’re there. So now we could have the possibilities, if we could team up somehow with this other group, where you would now know, you have this device we’ve seen these little flashing red lights that you’re dreaming. Now you can pick up the phone and phone in the dream to DreamsCloud, and now we’re going to try and get some technology where you could go through and do almost instantaneous word searches of the number of aggressive words, friendly words, sexual words, etc. and the different kinds of characters, the family members, and strangers, occupationally identify doctors or lawyers and so forth, so there’s this incredible, incredible, possibility now that we’ve technologically advanced to where dreams could be readily available for almost anybody because you’re gonna get powerful triggering devices with these flashing red lights going around in the room, you got now this ability to have your dreams instantaneously almost recorded in the various storage bins for DreamsCloud, storage bins isn’t maybe a very good analogy, but you have a way of having your dreams preserved and put into different files there, and we have now the start of being able to get word search technology, so after you put your dream in you can very quickly see how it compares to your previous dream, how it compares to someone else who has a similar age or similar social background, or who differs very markedly from you on those qualities.

Host: It’s fascinating to me, I read your book and now, through discussions I see you constantly pushing these boundaries, the frontier of dreams and dream analysis forward. I deeply appreciate your work. A few questions that came up during that discussion, can we carry forward in our next interview? Thank you so much for your time today, that was a fascinating glimpse into perhaps some of the directions this field is going to evolve into. Bye.